Current project state ?

[Maxime R.]

Hi, we're a team of 4 currently developing a social reviews web app.
I used pinax 0.9b1.dev10 in march to start the prototyping of the private
beta we plan to launch in the following weeks (public release in the
following months).
Since then, Django 1.4 was released. I saw the move from pinax.apps.account to
django-user-accounts.

Last friday I started a new branch to port our project to Django 1.4. I
disabled django-notification (broken with 1.4), installed
django-user-accounts and got stuck when noticing that pinax-theme-bootstrap
url templates are broken with the change acct_* → account_*. Did not knew
exactly where to report this conflict.
This monday morning I noticed the new pinax-theme-bootstrap-account solving
the url mismatch and got it working (still some NoReverseMatch errors with
acct_email in what_next.html ).

Anyway, long story short : i'm pretty confused about the current state of
the project. A lot of nice activity on theme-bootstrap / user-accounts but
nothing on pinax during the past two months.

We like the pinax ecosystem and how it seems to evolve, I'd be happy to
contribute if possible. I'm suspecting a 1.0 release in the near future
with django 1.4 compat which would be perfect for our startup project.
However i'm not sure if i'm fine going with django-user-accounts now or if
i would be better of waiting sometimes to first let the pinax coders decide
how they want to structure the project. I perfectly understand that pinax
was rewritten from scratch and that it takes time to sort out of the new
project structure.
I'd just like to have any insight like we don't know yet/ we're working on
it, stay tuned /here is the plan, etc.

A happy pinax user ! :)

[Brian Rosner]

Last friday I started a new branch to port our project to Django 1.4. I disabled django-notification (broken with 1.4), installed django-user-accounts and got stuck when noticing that pinax-theme-bootstrap url templates are broken with the change acct_* → account_*. Did not knew exactly where to report this conflict.
This monday morning I noticed the new pinax-theme-bootstrap-account solving the url mismatch and got it working (still some NoReverseMatch errors with acct_email in what_next.html ).

what_next.html is going to be project-level so you will need to update this yourself.

Anyway, long story short : i'm pretty confused about the current state of the project. A lot of nice activity on theme-bootstrap / user-accounts but nothing on pinax during the past two months.
We like the pinax ecosystem and how it seems to evolve, I'd be happy to contribute if possible. I'm suspecting a 1.0 release in the near future with django 1.4 compat which would be perfect for our startup project. However i'm not sure if i'm fine going with django-user-accounts now or if i would be better of waiting sometimes to first let the pinax coders decide how they want to structure the project. I perfectly understand that pinax was rewritten from scratch and that it takes time to sort out of the new project structure.
I'd just like to have any insight like we don't know yet/ we're working on it, stay tuned /here is the plan, etc.

pinax/pinax as a repository is slowing being moved to external components. I would not expect it will be filled with activity other than to delete code that moves elsewhere. It will slowly become a repository that will host the documentation for the components and where to find them.

django-user-accounts is the future for any account related code for Pinax. Template components will be broken out of pinax-theme-bootstrap into their own template apps like pinax-theme-bootstrap-account.

Here are some relevant links:

https://github.com/pinax/django-user-accounts (pinax.apps.account, pinax.apps.signup_codes, django-email-confirmation and django-timezones)
https://github.com/pinax/django-waitinglist (pinax.apps.waitinglist + cohorts from Eldarion)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-theme-bootstrap (needs more work to be fully broken out for various apps)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-theme-bootstrap-account (templates for django-user-accounts)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-zero (Django 1.4 project with Pinax conventions implemented; more conventions to come)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-account (based on pinax-project-zero; work being done in dev until we improve the new 1.4 project template system for our purposes)

The idea here is to focus less on pinax/pinax Github repo but rather pinax/* repos.

Brian Rosner
http://twitter.com/brosner

[Maxime R.]

Thank you for clarifying this, it's really helpful to have a list of which
packages to focus on !

Post by Maxime R.

Post by Maxime R.
Last friday I started a new branch to port our project to Django 1.4. I

disabled django-notification (broken with 1.4), installed
django-user-accounts and got stuck when noticing that pinax-theme-bootstrap
url templates are broken with the change acct_* → account_*. Did not knew
exactly where to report this conflict.

Post by Maxime R.
This monday morning I noticed the new pinax-theme-bootstrap-account

solving the url mismatch and got it working (still some NoReverseMatch
errors with acct_email in what_next.html ).
what_next.html is going to be project-level so you will need to update this yourself.

Post by Maxime R.
Anyway, long story short : i'm pretty confused about the current state

of the project. A lot of nice activity on theme-bootstrap / user-accounts
but nothing on pinax during the past two months.

Post by Maxime R.
We like the pinax ecosystem and how it seems to evolve, I'd be happy to

contribute if possible. I'm suspecting a 1.0 release in the near future
with django 1.4 compat which would be perfect for our startup project.
However i'm not sure if i'm fine going with django-user-accounts now or if
i would be better of waiting sometimes to first let the pinax coders decide
how they want to structure the project. I perfectly understand that pinax
was rewritten from scratch and that it takes time to sort out of the new
project structure.

Post by Maxime R.
I'd just like to have any insight like we don't know yet/ we're working

on it, stay tuned /here is the plan, etc.
pinax/pinax as a repository is slowing being moved to external components.
I would not expect it will be filled with activity other than to delete
code that moves elsewhere. It will slowly become a repository that will
host the documentation for the components and where to find them.
django-user-accounts is the future for any account related code for Pinax.
Template components will be broken out of pinax-theme-bootstrap into their
own template apps like pinax-theme-bootstrap-account.
https://github.com/pinax/django-user-accounts (pinax.apps.account,
pinax.apps.signup_codes, django-email-confirmation and django-timezones)
https://github.com/pinax/django-waitinglist (pinax.apps.waitinglist +
cohorts from Eldarion)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-theme-bootstrap (needs more work to be
fully broken out for various apps)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-theme-bootstrap-account (templates for django-user-accounts)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-zero (Django 1.4 project with
Pinax conventions implemented; more conventions to come)
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-account (based on
pinax-project-zero; work being done in dev until we improve the new 1.4
project template system for our purposes)
The idea here is to focus less on pinax/pinax Github repo but rather pinax/* repos.
Brian Rosner
http://twitter.com/brosner

[Maxime R.]

Thank you for clarifying this, it's really helpful to have a list of which

[Ryan K]

I second this. A very useful post!

Post by Maxime R.
Thank you for clarifying this, it's really helpful to have a list of which
packages to focus on !

[JohnE Gledhill]

wow, I appreciate pinax. I must ask WHY are all of you "core" developers so
silent? We all appreciate this post regarding the future of pinax. If I am
to understand, we all should stick with django 1.4 and then add your apps

[Mathieu]

Many of us really appreciate Pinax but are now unable to use it. Please
guys **communicate** !

You know you are failing in that respect. James Tauber acknowledged that
publicly at DjangoCon 2011<http://blip.tv/djangocon/pinax-after-three-years-lessons-learnt-and-the-way-forward-5577420>.
But since then nothing was done. How disappointing. Guys, please
**communicate** !

I really am eager to hear good news about Pinax.

Post by JohnE Gledhill
wow, I appreciate pinax. I must ask WHY are all of you "core" developers
so silent? We all appreciate this post regarding the future of pinax. If I
am to understand, we all should stick with django 1.4 and then add your
apps if needed...

[John Yeukhon Wong]

We've used Pinax for two years. It was a great product, thanks for the hard
work development team. However, not a single core developer came to answer
some of the posts here is just irresponsible. I mean it. Everyone has their
difficulties -we are busy people, but that is not the excuse to stop
answering people's question.

I am comfortable with reading codes and figuring some of the stuff by
diving into the source codes.

I think I am going to restart with Django 1.4 and build apps from that
point. I am going to do all the integrations myself, using whatever good
apps are available. This way, I have at least the power to control
everything and document everything. Good luck to other Pinax users.

Post by Mathieu
Many of us really appreciate Pinax but are now unable to use it. Please
guys **communicate** !
You know you are failing in that respect. James Tauber acknowledged that
publicly at DjangoCon 2011<http://blip.tv/djangocon/pinax-after-three-years-lessons-learnt-and-the-way-forward-5577420>.
But since then nothing was done. How disappointing. Guys, please
**communicate** !
I really am eager to hear good news about Pinax.

Post by JohnE Gledhill
wow, I appreciate pinax. I must ask WHY are all of you "core" developers
so silent? We all appreciate this post regarding the future of pinax. If I
am to understand, we all should stick with django 1.4 and then add your
apps if needed...

[Matt Mansour]

Pinax is a great project. However, I've also felt there was a lack of
community/communication on more than one occasion since I discovered it.
For that alone I've moved away from it. However, I am not sure I'd call the
lack of communication/community "irrresponsible". The core team built a
great app and I learned a lot from it. For that alone I am grateful. My
guess is life happens, people get busy and start other projects and
ventures. The team is probably hoping for more developers to contribute to
keep the Pinax going. I bet the core team would get excited to see the app
extended by the next generation.

One project I've really love working with due to the community it has,
passion of the core team, and great code base is Mezzanine. However,
Mezzanine is more of a CMS in Django, which makes it an apples to oranges
comparison to Pinax.

Post by John Yeukhon Wong
We've used Pinax for two years. It was a great product, thanks for the
hard work development team. However, not a single core developer came to
answer some of the posts here is just irresponsible. I mean it. Everyone
has their difficulties -we are busy people, but that is not the excuse to
stop answering people's question.
I am comfortable with reading codes and figuring some of the stuff by
diving into the source codes.
I think I am going to restart with Django 1.4 and build apps from that
point. I am going to do all the integrations myself, using whatever good
apps are available. This way, I have at least the power to control
everything and document everything. Good luck to other Pinax users.

Post by Mathieu
Many of us really appreciate Pinax but are now unable to use it. Please
guys **communicate** !
You know you are failing in that respect. James Tauber acknowledged that
publicly at DjangoCon 2011<http://blip.tv/djangocon/pinax-after-three-years-lessons-learnt-and-the-way-forward-5577420>.
But since then nothing was done. How disappointing. Guys, please
**communicate** !
I really am eager to hear good news about Pinax.

Post by JohnE Gledhill
wow, I appreciate pinax. I must ask WHY are all of you "core" developers
so silent? We all appreciate this post regarding the future of pinax. If I
am to understand, we all should stick with django 1.4 and then add your
apps if needed...
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[James Tauber]

I'm in the process of putting together a document listing all of the
apps in Pinax since 0.7 with a brief status indicating whether the app
is still actively developed (and if so, what the canonical repo is, as
there's often confusion about that) or whether it has been abandoned
(and what has replaced it, if anything)

django-user-accounts is the main area where progress has been made
lately along with continuing work on the bootstrap-based themes.

https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-zero is a work-in-progress
"zero_project" for the new Django 1.4 based Pinax. We started the
equivalent account_project too but progress has been slow on that.

django-user-accounts is in production use (for example, on
habitualist.com) so it should be close to a release.

We also have a new website in the works that will focus more on the
ecosystem of apps, themes and projects.

James

[Maxime R.]

Hi!

Does anyone have any info about the current state of django-notification?

Latest version is 0.3a1.dev9 with the last commit in december 2011.

There are a lot of pull requests and forks. Appears we need to code our
project specific templates (fine) but also our views, since most of them
have been removed.

Are there any big changes to come?

Thanks!

Post by James Tauber
I'm in the process of putting together a document listing all of the
apps in Pinax since 0.7 with a brief status indicating whether the app
is still actively developed (and if so, what the canonical repo is, as
there's often confusion about that) or whether it has been abandoned
(and what has replaced it, if anything)
django-user-accounts is the main area where progress has been made
lately along with continuing work on the bootstrap-based themes.
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-zero is a work-in-progress
"zero_project" for the new Django 1.4 based Pinax. We started the
equivalent account_project too but progress has been slow on that.
django-user-accounts is in production use (for example, on
habitualist.com) so it should be close to a release.
We also have a new website in the works that will focus more on the
ecosystem of apps, themes and projects.
James

[Guillaume Andreu Sabater]

Hi,

I'd be interested as well in knowing what's django-notification current
status. It indeed looks like it hasn't been a top priority, but it would be
great to know if it's bound to stay that way or if someone will end up
picking up the slack.

Thanks in advance.

Post by Maxime R.
Hi!
Does anyone have any info about the current state of django-notification?
Latest version is 0.3a1.dev9 with the last commit in december 2011.
There are a lot of pull requests and forks. Appears we need to code our
project specific templates (fine) but also our views, since most of them
have been removed.
Are there any big changes to come?
Thanks!

Post by James Tauber
I'm in the process of putting together a document listing all of the
apps in Pinax since 0.7 with a brief status indicating whether the app
is still actively developed (and if so, what the canonical repo is, as
there's often confusion about that) or whether it has been abandoned
(and what has replaced it, if anything)
django-user-accounts is the main area where progress has been made
lately along with continuing work on the bootstrap-based themes.
https://github.com/pinax/pinax-project-zero is a work-in-progress
"zero_project" for the new Django 1.4 based Pinax. We started the
equivalent account_project too but progress has been slow on that.
django-user-accounts is in production use (for example, on
habitualist.com) so it should be close to a release.
We also have a new website in the works that will focus more on the
ecosystem of apps, themes and projects.
James

[john]

are you still using it?
it's such a great project...

Post by John Yeukhon Wong
We've used Pinax for two years. It was a great product, thanks for the
hard work development team. However, not a single core developer came to
answer some of the posts here is just irresponsible. I mean it. Everyone
has their difficulties -we are busy people, but that is not the excuse to
stop answering people's question.
I am comfortable with reading codes and figuring some of the stuff by
diving into the source codes.
I think I am going to restart with Django 1.4 and build apps from that
point. I am going to do all the integrations myself, using whatever good
apps are available. This way, I have at least the power to control
everything and document everything. Good luck to other Pinax users.

Post by Mathieu
Many of us really appreciate Pinax but are now unable to use it. Please
guys **communicate** !
You know you are failing in that respect. James Tauber acknowledged that
publicly at DjangoCon 2011<http://blip.tv/djangocon/pinax-after-three-years-lessons-learnt-and-the-way-forward-5577420>.
But since then nothing was done. How disappointing. Guys, please
**communicate** !
I really am eager to hear good news about Pinax.

Post by JohnE Gledhill
wow, I appreciate pinax. I must ask WHY are all of you "core" developers
so silent? We all appreciate this post regarding the future of pinax. If I
am to understand, we all should stick with django 1.4 and then add your
apps if needed...

[Christos Jonathan Hayward]

Dear all;

I thought I would ask a clarifying question.

A couple of clarifying questions, actually. Is the pinax-social-project on
Github the current and genuine successor for the "social project" as made
fully functional and released, or is it a stub merely identifying an intent
to release such at a later date, but not now? Apart from the fact that you
can log in and update a bare-bones profile, it is a single-page lorem ipsum
application. I had assumed that I was making some gross mistake at how to
use a fully delivered "social project", and in fact that is in no sense a
complete replacement for the social project (unless you're a pure Luddite).
But was I just floundering with a stub because it was a stub?

Second clarifying question: Could somebody give me instructions to get a
fully functioning social project? I tried to get an old project up and
running, but ran into challenges setting up the virtual environment, which
pulled http://...tar.gz and complained that http://...tar.gz was not in the
compressed format... I pulled the URL up in a browser and there is a
non-redirected URL ending in .tar.gz displaying an ordinary web page (I
don't remember how I managed to track down that tarball).

I would like a fully functioning social project, which I imagine will be
0.7 or 0.5. I no longer want the latest and greatest. If the latest and
greatest is the best working solution, that's great, but I would like to be
able to pull the half-page of instructions, build out the virtual
environment with all of its dependencies met (or, for that matter, know how
to manually install any dependencies that would bomb out), and having a
working social project website.

I've had trouble tracking down old Pinax links; if someone could point me
to an old or new working tarball which can be satisfied with manageable
amounts of workaround, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you,

Hi Christos,
Regarding the lack of documentation around Pinax, the above thread is
worth reading- the project is well on its way to being deprecated (though I
don't speak within any official capacity).
-Dave
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Subject: [pinax-users] Re: Current project state ?
are you still using it?
it's such a great project...

Post by John Yeukhon Wong
We've used Pinax for two years. It was a great product, thanks for the
hard work development team. However, not a single core developer came to
answer some of the posts here is just irresponsible. I mean it. Everyone
has their difficulties -we are busy people, but that is not the excuse to
stop answering people's question.
I am comfortable with reading codes and figuring some of the stuff by
diving into the source codes.
I think I am going to restart with Django 1.4 and build apps from that
point. I am going to do all the integrations myself, using whatever good
apps are available. This way, I have at least the power to control
everything and document everything. Good luck to other Pinax users.

Post by Mathieu
Many of us really appreciate Pinax but are now unable to use it. Please
guys **communicate** !
You know you are failing in that respect. James Tauber acknowledged that
publicly at DjangoCon 2011<http://blip.tv/djangocon/pinax-after-three-years-lessons-learnt-and-the-way-forward-5577420>.
But since then nothing was done. How disappointing. Guys, please
**communicate** !
I really am eager to hear good news about Pinax.

Post by JohnE Gledhill
wow, I appreciate pinax. I must ask WHY are all of you "core"
developers so silent? We all appreciate this post regarding the future of
pinax. If I am to understand, we all should stick with django 1.4 and then
add your apps if needed...
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